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29th-Apr-2010 02:16 pm
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Twin Souls
3rd-May-2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
...and of course he is more handsome than Blake.
What do you make of Avon's behaviour in that dreadful episode where he was perfectly willing to throw Vila out of the airlock to save himself (can't come up with a title right now)? Temporary insanity?
3rd-May-2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
This was Avon's worst act. But at the same time, I do try to think of it from his viewpoint. People tend to think that Avon is so evil here, Vila is so innocent and Avon always picks on Vila who never did anything to him...hmmm

Let me see, what has Vila done to Avon by this point? Um, Vila has already shafted Avon and the rest of the crew in Hostage. He gave his friends up just to save his own life. Is that any different than what Avon is doing in Orbit? When Avon is going through the corridors hunting Vila, he is jumpy, acting as if Vila is going to jump out at him any minute. I wonder why...is it because he expects that Vila, who has already sacrificed Avon before to save his own life, to be thinking the same thing here?

And not to mention, Vila, the moment there is danger, is more than willing to dump other people just to get out of danger. Before this, Vila already told Avon to abandon Tarrant just to save his own miserable life. Before this, Vila was more than ready to dump the human race rather than staying and fighting to give them a chance of survival.

Sorry, I don't see Vila as being very noble or that he was that much of a victim of Avon in Orbit. Avon was just treating Vila the way Vila had already treated him and others before. Not to say that it was right, but I do understand why Avon would be more willing to sacrifice someone who had already sacrificed him before. I'm just surprised that Avon bothered to take this treacherous man back onboard at all after Star One. No thievery skills are worth someone who would so readily stab you in the back just to save his own life.

3rd-May-2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, Vila is no saint. If I remember correctly he even suggested to Blake in Cygnus Alpha that they should kill Avon for the fact that he probably made a deal with the Federation crew. But Vila is Vila and in the good old tradition of British Tellie, the hero (or anti-hero if you like) does not kill off the friend with whom he shared so many adventures.

I remember the scene where ORAC told Avon that Vila weighed 70-something: I think Avon never knew Vila heard that. Avon had no reason to assume that Vila would try to jump him in order to save himself.(All that jumpiness was just PD's way of acting). It always reminded me a bit about Alien. I looked it up: Alien was released in 1979. Orbit airdate: 07/Dec/81: I think the director made is own little Alien reel there.

I saw this episode three years ago and was really shocked about what the writers did there. They had turned 'my' hero into a maniac who would kill the only friend he ever had just like that. 'My' Avon would never in a millions years have done that.
3rd-May-2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, I consider Orbit as out of character for Avon and for a few of the others too for that matter. Especially considering Avon had just faced a very similar circustance in Headhunter and made the right choice there (and funny enough it was again ORAC who made the bad suggestion to him) and he also refused to abandon Tarrant when Vila wanted to. It's inconsistent for Avon to act the way he did in Orbit.

I think the writer sacrificed characterization just to get a shock. Which I consider a real rip-off. I actually liked most of the way Avon and Vila interacted in this episode, other than for the last 7 minutes. They seem to relate very well and speak to each other like equals before everything went to pieces.

You might find Memories amusing from the Perceptions stories. I diss Orbit there and point out all the plot holes in that episode.

It also puts a different spin on the scene in the shuttle that heals Avon and Vila's relationship.
3rd-May-2010 08:11 pm (UTC)
It also puts a different spin on the scene in the shuttle that heals Avon and Vila's relationship. Thank God for fanfic!
3rd-May-2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
Avon definitely was bad in Orbit. But did you see how quickly he grabbed onto the slimmest of chances the moment he was given one? Thinking he could move something so heavy that it stopped the ship from leaving orbit was silly, but he would rather take that almost impossible chance.

And Avon was not the initiator of the idea to dump Vila. It took ORAC to give him the idea. Vila doesn't need anyone to give him ideas to dump or betray his own crewmates, he thinks of them all by himself and he acts on it even though they are only in danger, and not always in eminent risk of death.
3rd-May-2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
And yes, Avon is handsome ;) But that was not the original reason why I first loved him.

The characters I am most drawn to, first and foremost are highly intelligent people who accept no garbage from anyone, and who speak their mind against those who need to be spoken against. A lot of the characters I love are not handsome at all, but like Avon, they are smart and they speak out. With Avon though...we do have the very big bonus that he is very handsome... ;)

3rd-May-2010 08:26 pm (UTC)
It's too long ago for me to remember what attracted me in the character first. Usually I'm never drawn to the handsome protagonist. I just melt away when the tragic hero with the deep dark secret makes his entrance. The one with the troubled past, the bad dreams, the skeleton-in-the-closet-type-of-guy. In short beautiful suffering: mentally, physically, whateverally.
3rd-May-2010 08:36 pm (UTC)
3rd-May-2010 08:00 pm (UTC)
Vila doesn't need anyone to give him ideas to dump or betray his own crewmates, he thinks of them all by himself and he acts on it even though they are only in danger, and not always in eminent risk of death

I think Vila's problem has always been that he thinks too little. He reacts to certain situations with one goal in mind: selfpreservation. I don't see him as a man who plans his actions thoroughly. He lives by the day, like he's probably done all his life as a (what was it) Delta grade(?) citizen. I always like to compare him with a streetkid in one of the overcrowded big cities of the world. No one looks out for you and there are dangers lurking on every street corner. This way of life forms you: you probably don't turn out to be the most reliable, trustworthy person in the universe, but you have acquired the skills to survive.
3rd-May-2010 08:10 pm (UTC)
Yup. I consider a lot of how the crew behaves as a function of their society. Vila and Jenna described a universe where they expected everyone to double cross them. And in that atmosphere, I could see how everyone is out for themselves first, not because they're selfish but because if you don't look out for yourself, you quickly become someone else's victim.

Which is why I really love Avon. He may be selfish, but in the end, he is far less than any of the others, even though verbally he might sound more.
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